. >> chuck hagel, john brennan. >> right. >> john kerry, jack lew, you reported earlier he's the nominee for treasury secretary. and there may be other resignations in the cabinet. >> i think that's fair to say. i think this is a logical time and there are rumblings of other changes in the cabinet which we're pursing and i think it's fair to say that i'm expecting another shoe or two to drop, wolf. but i -- look, this is what happens when you get into a second term. people take stock, they decide if they are going to stay, do they stay for one year, two years, or do they decide to leave and just allow the president to make some changes at the start of a second term. >> and the second term of the bill clinton administration, major cabinet changes, major changes at the bush administration, and now sect term of obama administration major changes as well. i'm sure there will be other changes. senior officials in the white house, less than cabinet level. >> well, you know, we're going to see a new chief of staff. so there are -- >> jack lew, if he's confirmed -- any names out there for chief